Thursday, October 29, 2009

Strong Women and the Clever Men who Love them

Clever Girl- what is your opinion on men feeling inferior to women who are "stronger" or more dominant professionally? How does a man feel when a woman is more financially "smarter"............and if it's a proven fact why won't they listen to advice from the one who shows a successful track record?

This is an email I received some time back and had to ponder for a while because I wanted to give it it’s due.

There will always be those who feel inferior- regardless of the situation they are in. This is something you can not accept responsibility for- changing who you are in a business climate in order to make others comfortable is not an option. To not act, for fear of recrimination in your relationships, is also not advisable. However, those who are strong, have an obligation to acknowledge others are not strong, not always strong and while they might not be- they still have feelings, opinions and deserve a forum to share them. Never do you have the right to put others to shame for not being strong- if there weren’t people who were less strong- we’d probably have all killed one another by now.

It takes courage to be a strong woman- it takes more courage to recognize the limitations of others and to be kind and patient. That being said, I assume you are talking about a relational context. If this paradigm existed prior to the relationship becoming legal or serious, then you have entered into the situation with eyes wide open and should not whine you are with a man who is insecure or envious of your strength or success. Fact of the matter is- nothing gets better after marriage- nor does it or he change. More aptly- the frustrations you experience prior to getting married are compounded by all the trials of every day life, children and family.

If, you became more successful years into your relationship or marriage- the signs of potential trouble must have been lurking- if not, then you really need to make certain he feels comfortable in another significant role. Try never to diminish him or his contributions and perhaps you will get the support you deserve instead of being harangued by his jealousy.

This is a natural conflict as women have been encouraged to concentrate on relationships, family and the home and men have been conditioned (and I am talking about through out history) to judge themselves and other men on their ability to compete and provide- so, a man brought up in a highly traditional home, will find discomfort with a woman whose ambitions lie not only out of the house but in the business community.

Since financial stress is the number one reason for divorce- I think it is critical for couples to examine this issue long before marriage takes place. Make your aspirations known- “I might be a bank teller now, but I plan on being the bank president in five years- this will require a lot of overtime and dedication. Are you OK with that? What if I end up more financially successful than you are at certain times in our marriage?” You are a team- act like it. Clever girls support him in becoming successful and let him know his support is invaluable. Let him know he is a major source of your strength to gain success for your family or future family.

This leads to the second part of your question. Men do not like to be dictated to- actually no one does, but as men- our social norms and conditioning make it more difficult for a man to digest being told what he can or can not spend money on. We all do it- some more gently than others. Fact of the matter is, if you are married- you need to discuss finances and purchases and budgets (if that word does not cause a rash). You both need to be considerate of each other’s needs and wants.

This leads me to a concept called “preparing to be single”. Couples who keep separate finances are planning to be separate. I had a friend who was writing a check and it didn’t have her husband’s name on it. I said “Does Mark have his own account?” She snorted (for real) and said, “I would never share an account with him- he’s so irresponsible”. I was stunned!! I said, “Why did you marry him?” She shrugged. I understand a lot of people keep separate finances- what I don’t understand is why. I can comprehend a household account- but if you have issues, which cause you to keep separate finances going into the marriage- you can count on constant issues regarding finances.

I see women all the time struggling prior to their wedding to manage their “budget” as put forth by their fiancés. All I can think of is that if they are fighting this much about money now … what will the marriage look like? Consideration and respect is critical in all aspects of your relationships- be patient with your guy if his pride is hurt a bit- reassure him you could not be who you have become without his support.

One of the most Clever Girls I know is about to get married. She works twelve hours a day and he is self-employed and works at home. This Clever Guy delights in keeping the home, doing the grocery shopping and preparing the meals. She comes in exhausted every single day wishing she could spend more time with her intended- but he greets her with a smile, a glass of wine and a ready ear. She makes sure to tell him his support, help and enthusiasm for their home, her goals and their future is invaluable and one of the reasons she loves him. This praise will resonate if someday she makes more than he does, or when she takes time off to raise a child and finances get tight- their mutual appreciation for the collective goals is paramount and supersedes petty individual agendas.

I hate to bring up COMMON SENSE again- but I must. What ever you fight about before marriage will become almost intolerable after without recognition and management. How hard is it to dedicate some time to communicating aspirations, goals and desires? If he is threatened by you before you get married- it will continue to fester and with your every success or attempt to manage the finances- there will build resentment.

I hope this helped and thank you so much for inspiring my post today. I value feedback and ideas above all.

The NBA is cranking up, hockey is in full swing, baseball is serious and football is getting gritty. Count on some commentary regarding all of the above- tomorrow along with a game day recipe for Ceviche.

I've been asked for some Clever wedding planning tips by a newly engaged young lady and will begin to impart ways to beat the system beginning Monday.

8 comments:

  1. Hi Cuz!
    Absolutely true about separate finances. If a couple is uncomfortable about that prior to marriage, it's only going to be exacerbated as their lives get more financially bound to one another (i.e. buying a home or car together, having kids, etc).
    If money is second-fiddle to simply wanting the other person to be happy, then success is certain.
    Also, these days, it's okay to be a strong woman and listen to your husband at the same time. Remember, they are the head of the household (we are the neck). Let them do their job and be respectful of their position in the relationship. I mean, they actually have nuts, while we just pretend to be tough as balls.
    : ) xoxco

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  2. Co-
    I couldn't agree more. I actually knew a couple who split everything down the middle- child care, electric bill- if he couldn't make his share of the bills, she wouldn't help him. She was the more successful of the two and I often found myself pondering the "marriage". What did they actually share other than children- and even in that ...
    Money and success in business are secondary to the happiness of you and your spouse. Now, don't get me wrong, I do not advocate spending selfishly while your spouse drives him or herself into the ground working- this is a recipe for disaster in it's own right.
    You both have a responsibility to contribute to the financial well-being of the home. I know a couple who both worked for a large corporations- she was a few levels lower than he. When he wanted to retire after 30 years at the age of 50 (he had worked since the age of six selling peanuts at a local garage) there was no question for either of them. With three kids in college- it would change their life style completely, but he had saved and invested well and she still had ten more years to advance in the company. She did so and while she was working- he was keeping the house, the massive yard, doing the shopping and cooking. Both were comfortable with the shifting roles and supportive of one another and the family.
    This is a true articulation of health and well-being. If you do not trust someone's ability with money prior to getting married- this issue will be one of the reasons the marriage fails.
    Common Sense. Again.
    Let me hear from you more often- love your old fashioned sensibilities.
    xo
    CG

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  3. CG,
    I also know a couple that has kept their finances seperate through 17 years of marriage. I used to ask her how in the world they could do that, and she would respond that it was just how they (meaning her husband) had wanted it to be. Her husband had made more than her for most of their relationship, but as she started making more, and his income stayed fairly regulated, he started to try to dictate how and what she did with "her" money. I told her years ago that it seemed like they were just waiting to split up, and now, after 17+ years together, they are. Its like going into something expecting to fail...like a self fulfilling prophesy. I for one welcome the prospect of a strong woman. That makes the grappling for control much more interesting. I look forward to your next installment.

    TT

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  4. TT-
    Grappling for control sounds like fun- hmmm. Obviously the problems in their marriage were myriad- but, planning to be separate is the beginning. There is NO reason for finances to be separate- unless you are NOT married.
    You get married to become one in the eyes of God, the law and society- you are NOT one if you maintain separate finances, do not have sex or spend the bulk of your leisure time together.
    I also do not agree with staying married "for your children" unless being separate exposes them to danger. More on this subject later. Actually, I think I am going to write it now. It really pisses me off.
    Thank you for being faithful not only in your reading, but your thoughtful feedback. It is much appreciated.
    x
    CG

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  5. The issue is not about separating finances.... It is possible for a women to meet and date a man with a good job and then through time she excels and "things change" - it's not all about common sense BEFORE marriage. I think the point was missed - and as far as a comment left "letting the man be the head of household" is fine as long as he is smart with MANAGING money.... if not, why let him be the head when the female head is smarter - don't be dumb here! Now, I'm not saying let your spouse know he's not "smart" in this area.... it just may be the case. Men think they are the head and when it is apparent the female has exceled there may be a problem - over time that is. People grow and change. The question is when the love remains the same but the growth levels change how should the women respond to the male insecurity - even if he doesn't admit it exists. Respect is addressed here but not life change - maybe you haven't experienced this.....

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  6. That is another topic entirely, and I have been guilty of that myself. I seem to have problems with always wanting to be the white knight riding in to rescue the damsel in distress (romantic but not very practical, or realistic these days). Its hard sometimes to make that big step away from a relationship, even if you know it is the best thing for you, when there is children involved. It seems that most everyone these days is from a mixed family with step dads/moms, and step/half siblings. I always think about how much different life will be for that child when daddy isn't right there at the ready for any and every need. It is a hard decision to make for any parent. I think all "clever" goes out the window when it comes to our children.... at least for this not so clever dad. Keep up the good work CG, you are helping more than you know.

    Not so clever dad

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  7. No so Clever Dad-

    You are right, this is an important topic which needs to be covered. I will say, growing up without both parents in the home is not without it's challenges, but what damage are you doing to your children by exposing them, in their formative years, to an emotionally sterile marriage. Children need more than love- they need to learn by being a product of their family and environment. If they don't see a well functioning, loving marriage- how are they do have one themselves?
    Children do not deserve to be exposed to fighting and tension- it is damaging to their feelings of safety and stability. Children need to be in a clam and loving environment- even if that means with Mom most of the time.
    I have heard of a new concept in separation for parents who honestly want to put their children first. An apartment is acquired or depending on income level- two. The children remain in the familial home and when it's Daddy's time- he moves in and mom goes to her apartment. This way- the children are not torn from their home and shuttled back and forth between bitter parents.
    If you truly want to put the needs of your children first, do it. This doesn't mean staying in a loveless or broken marriage.
    Thank you for you feedback- I appreciate knowing whether my words help.
    x
    CG

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  8. Anonymous-
    The point of your comment was not missed. I said, should it not have been lurking somewhere prior to marriage? Manifesting itself in other areas? Competition? Intellectual battles? There is no doubt the professional climate changes throughout a marriage and since men have been conditioned to view the role of providing as "theirs", his insecurity is somewhat normal. It's really more how you respond to this which will set the stage for the resolution of his negative feelings. Reinforce his other roles in your life- best friend, confidant, father, supporter, spiritual head of the house hold, provider of meals and connectivity of the family.
    I understand there will be issues which crop up- it might never have been your ambition to be as successful as you have become and it's possible his entire identity is wrapped up in being the provider- this is where you have validate him- not pacify or placate but remind him of his value.
    As far as him respecting your head for finances? This is probably something which did exist prior to your marriage- but I am pretty certain both people in a marriage think they are the better parent, more skilled with finances and a better communicator. Now, if he's made some bad decision he was warned against- you might have to bring in a professional to reinforce your feelings or else you will forever be called out as a "nag" about money. It is not fair for you to be undermined, but often, when the same issue keeps coming up- people stop listening and only another person's opinion will impact him.
    x
    CG

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